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Post by funkle on Nov 15, 2019 15:39:30 GMT -6
I just got a pair of these, and they really excel for fusion. The emphasized midrange & mid-bass punch, along with great clarity & track separation are about perfect for this genre. I was hearing insane detail in RTF - Anthology that I've never noticed before. However, stuff like solo Hiromi sound like crap on them. But for more hard driving stuff they are fantastic. The best part is these phones which were originally $699 are now discontinued, and are down to $199 on Amazon. They are easy to drive, and will work with any source. I highly recommend you give them a try. They do supposedly change quite a bit (for the better) after 150 hours of break in. AudioQuest Nighthawk Carbon
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Post by JaySee on Nov 16, 2019 0:54:31 GMT -6
I don't like listening to music on headphones.
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Post by GeorgeX on Nov 16, 2019 7:14:11 GMT -6
I don't like listening to music on headphones. I guess I don't either. I never bother to anyway, unless I'm out with my portable, which is infrequently. I think of them more for married dudes who have to keep their music from bothering wifey.
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Post by funkle on Nov 16, 2019 10:53:10 GMT -6
I have preferred speakers in the past, but use headphones when my employee and/or wife are in the office. Aside from the wife factor, headphones have their benefits. They're sort of like motorcycles vs. cars - they will always outperform there bigger brethren in some ways, at a much lower price. You don't get the same heft, impact, or sound of the room (for better or worse), but the detail/imaging can be tough to match with speakers. And like motorcycles, because of the price/size, you can have a fleet of them to suit different occasions. I like having multiple ways to experience my music. And these guys open a totally new window to things I've never experienced before.
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Post by GeorgeX on Nov 16, 2019 12:41:56 GMT -6
Glad you said supposedly. I won't stand by it vociferously, as I haven't researched it to any depth, but I haven't seen anyone with an audio background who lends credence to burn-in factor being a real thing, just audiophiles. I know...you're shocked, right?
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Post by funkle on Nov 16, 2019 13:58:24 GMT -6
Glad you said supposedly. I won't stand by it vociferously, as I haven't researched it to any depth, but I haven't seen anyone with an audio background who lends credence to burn-in factor being a real thing, just audiophiles. I know...you're shocked, right? I'm skeptical of burn-in as well. Cable burn-in? Hmm... Maybe, but that's a hair I have no desire to split. Transister burn-in, makes more sense, but still subtile. But with something mechanical, like a speaker, it makes sense that flexible bits would become more pliable with use, and not out of the question that the sound would change. Here we're talking about "break-in", not "burn-in". Jeans & shoes become more comfortable after some use, why not speakers? I have experienced substantial changes with speakers after break-in to where they sounded downright broken at first, and some change daily after a warm-up period. But with this particular headphone, even the people that don't care about break-in agree that there is a noticeable change, and really matters. It has a different kind of "pistonic" driver than other headphones.
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Post by GeorgeX on Nov 16, 2019 14:28:17 GMT -6
Anything is possible. Testimonials don't mean much to me, as there are many factors that go into what people think they hear, first and foremost, confirmation bias. They hear it because they expected to, or desperately want to, after plunking down the $$$. I prefer measurables as evidence, when available.
To me, it’s in a manufacturer’s best interest to ensure their products are broken in, long before leaving the factory warehouse. Having it sound as good as it ever can, right out of the box/off the store rack is optimum to make sales that please in the long run.
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Post by funkle on Nov 18, 2019 12:41:44 GMT -6
To me, it’s in a manufacturer’s best interest to ensure their products are broken in, long before leaving the factory warehouse. Having it sound as good as it ever can, right out of the box/off the store rack is optimum to make sales that please in the long run. That makes some sense. My hunch is that the 100-200 hours of break-in would be detrimental to cost, inventory & lead time. How would a high volume manufacturer burn in thousands of headphones for 200 hours each? And the brake-in is kind of part of the ceremony for those who believe in it, and for those who don't, it may not matter.
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