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Post by JaySee on Apr 25, 2018 5:04:46 GMT -6
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Post by xmiles on Apr 25, 2018 5:58:43 GMT -6
There is a lot to like on this list. My two reservations are:
1. I think Silent Way is massively over rated and should never be number one, and 2. I think their definition of fusion is too wide ranging. Much As I like Steely Dan and Traffic I wouldn't call them fusion.
Inevitably everyone will query some of the choices and positions on the list but seriously Miles Davis' Amandla at number 21 and no mention of Jack Johnson?
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Post by GeorgeX on Apr 25, 2018 10:00:28 GMT -6
Like all published lists, I think it's lame. And like all published lists, it's too 'classics' based. Whenever a site/magazine puts a list out, they're afraid to not include the staple albums of that genre, so as not to appear clueless. So about a quarter to a half of them are rote. There's a lot of albums that aren't fusion too, of course. I could quibble with the order of certain things too, as could we all, but that's to be expected.
There are enough deep cut type releases that you can tell the list wasn't put together by know nothings, so that's good at least.
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Post by JaySee on Apr 26, 2018 4:33:46 GMT -6
There are enough deep cut type releases that you can tell the list wasn't put together by know nothings, so that's good at least. That was my initial thought as well. Sure there are some stuff that shouldn't really be there (and even more stuff is missing) and the order of the items is always debatable, but I think it's an ok list.
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Post by JaySee on Apr 26, 2018 6:49:39 GMT -6
My list would have those Holdsworth albums in reverse order. 8. Atavachron (1986) 26. Sand (1987) 75. Secrets (1989) 97. Wardenclyffe Tower (1992)
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Post by GeorgeX on Apr 26, 2018 9:27:45 GMT -6
My list wouldn't have had any of em. There are some seriously weird ones though. Who thinks Lost Trident Sessions is better than Birds of Fire? Anyone think King Kong is better than Enigmatic Ocean? Mobo II is his Kazumi pick?? Romantic Warrior 4th amongst RTF's discography has to be a joke of some kind. And Cab 2 is probably the least impressive Cab album. The non-fusion stuff is weird too. Those Don Ellis records are big band stuff, albeit, pretty cool. Nobody calls BS&T, Chicago, Traffic, If, or Steely Dan, fusion. Hatfield and the North and National Health are acknowledged prog rock or Canterbury. Not a fan of any of his obscure choices, like Mark-Almond, Lonnie Liston Smith, or Catalyst. Never heard that Vitous or the Compost. The other lists there have some real head scratchers, like Danny Gottlieb beating out guys like Dave Weckl, Steve Smith, Lenny White, Alphonse Mouzon etc. And putting Peter Criss as a fusion guy defies explanation. I'm amazed he found 49 bassists better than Hadrien Feraud, who comes in at 50, one spot ahead of 'Jeff' Nitti. Adam's bro? Can't decide if the funniest guitar placement is Andy Summers over Shawn Lane and Frank Gambale or Leni Stern beating out Alex Machacek, Kazumi, and Brett Garsed. Or Joni Mitchell even being on there
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Post by funkle on Aug 28, 2019 13:25:43 GMT -6
I like that the list spans into more recent times. I question the Sting, Steely Dan & Chicago in honorable mention. And the biggest elephant in the room for me is that aside from a few early English ones, they're virtually all US recordings. I realize that the world revolves around us, but my biggest recent epiphany has been the richness that non-US fusion brings to the genre. If they held true to their criteria "These Fusion Albums were chosen to showcase the artists musical vision through their originality, influence, instrumental quality and creative inspiration." then there is no reason for excluding non-US fusion other than ethnocentrism or ignorance, or at least not digging deeper than what is obvious. But I'm not surprised by this.
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Post by GeorgeX on Aug 28, 2019 14:30:55 GMT -6
How many of the 100 do you all have? I have 27. Can't believe we didn't do that the first time around.
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Post by funkle on Aug 28, 2019 14:56:24 GMT -6
How many of the 100 do you all have? I have 27. Can't believe we didn't do that the first time around. I have around 33 of them in some form. I used to have most of the Zappa, MO, WR & RTF on vinyl or cassette, so probably 20 or so I no longer have, but can easily stream if the urge strikes (which it usually doesn't). We had a long thread about whether Zappa was fusion on the FB group, and I plan to re-visit some of these recordings I used to listen to in the '80s.
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Post by JaySee on Aug 29, 2019 9:40:11 GMT -6
I think I have about 40 of them.
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Post by teejay on Aug 30, 2019 19:22:14 GMT -6
'Silent Way' is famous for Miles' advice to John Mcloughlin. ... "Play it like you don't know how to play the guitar" "There I was in the studio, and there was a tune called "In A Silent Way," which is a Joe Zawinul tune. And Joe, he didn't know there was a guitar player coming, so the only thing he could do was photocopy his piano part and give it to me. So I had a piano part in the studio. So we ran it down, Miles didn't like it. We ran it down another time, he didn't like it. This is when he stopped, and he looked at me, he said, "I want to hear it on the guitar". I said, "you want these piano chords in the melody?" "Yes." So I said, "that's going to take me a minute just to put it together because it's not a guitar part." And he said, "Is that a fact?" So already, you know, sweat was running down my back. I'm thinking, what am I going to do here? I've got this piano part, and he wants me to do the whole thing. So after about ten seconds, he looked at me and he said that famous quote, "play it like you don't know how to play the guitar". Play it like you don't know how to play the guitar. So I threw out the chords, I threw out the rhythm. I threw it all out, and I just played the melody, and I just played it real simple. And I was just astonished because he had been able to pull out of me something that I didn't know I could do." www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=132487200
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Post by jacofan on Sept 3, 2019 8:24:32 GMT -6
Whoops. I counted 64 plus quite a few where I have FLAC copies because of something being OOP. I didn't even consider the honorable mentions and there are plenty recent omissions. Lots of great records that I've cherished for a long time but as I read somewhere on IG recently, lists are for the purpose of generating discussion.
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Post by vosbghos on Nov 22, 2023 21:52:02 GMT -6
it is what it is I guess, but the order and what is considered fusion is a bit wack
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